Ep #192: Making Fitness Consistent with Kelly Howard

By: Dr. Sherry Price

Making Fitness Consistent with Kelly Howard

Are you struggling to stay consistent with exercise?

Are you feeling stuck, unmotivated, and maybe even a little bit guilty about not moving more? 

Many women face these challenges, and the good news is that there are proven strategies to help you get back on track.

Today, Kelly Howard, a fitness consistency expert and author of “FIT: Active and Ageless for Life” and I discuss how to get started with exercise if you’ve fallen out of the habit, and uncover what may be causing those start-stop cycles when it comes to your fitness journey.

Join us as we talk about why having an exercise plan is important, what metrics really matter (hint: it’s not the scale!), and the biggest fitness asset we have at our disposal.

What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • What’s really going on when you struggle to start and maintain a fitness routine
  • The key to getting out of those difficult start-stop cycles with exercise
  • How to increase your confidence when you are easing back into the gym
  • It’s time to stop believing these common fitness myths
  • The biggest asset we have when it comes to fitness

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[00:01:00] Kelly Howard, welcome to the podcast. I’m super excited for our discussion today. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me and for everybody listening. I really appreciate it. Yeah. And my audience has received your introduction. We talked about you that you’re a fitness expert and I’ve mentioned on the podcast a few times that I’ve had a troubled relationship with [00:02:00] exercise.

, so I’d like to start off with There’s probably people listening to this podcast who maybe they’ve gotten away from exercise or fitness or whatever the terminology we want to use for that. So, let’s help those people who are, like, sitting at home, not really moving, not really getting in a lot of physical fitness, not really exercising and I want to.

Talk about strategies to help those women. And then I’ll throw in after that is strategies where I found myself to be in the camp of starting, stopping, starting, stopping. And maybe the strategies are similar, but let’s start with someone who, they haven’t been exercising for months.

And they’re really feeling like they really want to start, but there might be guilt. There might be shame. There might be some emotions getting in the way. What are some things and tips that you, when you work with these kinds of clients to help them to just get started? Yeah, that’s such a great question.

I would say that you touched [00:03:00] on it already because a lot of times. We think that like we have reasons, , that we don’t do it. Like I don’t have enough time. You know, I need to take care of everyone else first or whatever it is. A lot of it comes down to a priority, right? When, and, and when somebody hears me say that I get the eye roll quite frequently.

Yeah, I know it’s a priority, but it’s not where I’ve got it right now. So I like to have people look for , why do they want to do it? Not. Because we know we’re supposed to like supposed to will drive anybody crazy, right? So you know, if you’ve got like, well, I know I’m supposed to, people will get come to me immediately and they’ll say, , I know I’m supposed to go to the gym four days a week, but I don’t want to, I’m like, it’s supposed to why, why go to the gym four days a week if you don’t want to.

That’s like, uh, that’s a recipe for not wanting and never achieving, right? So I’m always asking people, what would get you excited if you were [00:04:00] in the shape you would like to be in, what would you be able to do that you can’t do right now? , and when I say get in the shape, that doesn’t mean like lose the weight and get perfect and all that stuff.

It means get to the body that you want to have to be able to do the life that you want to love. So, it could be injuries, it could be pain, right? Pain is one of those things that hold a lot of us back, like, I’ve got a brand new client. And she said to me, I had the knee surgery and my knee still hurts.

So now what do I do? And I’m like, I get it. So thinking about like, what’s holding you back, if you could have what you wanted, what you would do, and then maybe take it one step further and say,, if I really could do whatever I want to do with this body that I have,, change it up a little bit.

But if I want to do the things that I want to do, what’s something that I’ve always [00:05:00] dreamed of doing in life that would be so much fun. That’s a driver. That’s a pulling someone toward pleasure instead of running from the pain of having to go to the gym, having to lose weight. Like all those halves are so, can I say it boring?

Like they’re so boring. , and we’ve been living with them for our whole lives. So why not turn it around and go, what would I be able to do? , that’s step one. Okay. Step one got a little long, but just think about it. Step one is, what would excite you? What would make life really titillating if you could do it?

And then step two is what’s holding you back really? And when I say what’s holding you back really, is it pain and injury? Is it no motivation? Is it really no time? Because if it’s really no time, we can find the time. Like, we can always find the time for the things that [00:06:00] we love. We just have to figure out what that, you know, demotivator is.

, and then the next step is, is probably, if you haven’t been moving in a long time, what is, what I like to have is an MDM, your minimum daily movement. Like, what is the smallest thing that you could do today that would give your body a little push? And this is, okay, these are starting really, really small.

Okay. All of this. But this is, if you haven’t been doing anything in a while, then I never, ever, ever suggest to people that they go out, start strong, you 30 day challenge, whatever it is, because it’s not sustainable. We have to find the steps that are going to get us there the long term. Yeah, I love what you said about finding, what makes it fun.

Right? Because I think a lot of people look at exercise or movement as a half to, or my doctor said, or the guidelines state, [00:07:00] you know, it’s this outside authority or this outside notion that we feel we need to abide by. And that can feel like. And obligation and sometimes obligations just weigh you down.

They don’t feel good. They certainly don’t feel fun when you have to have this obligation, but what you’re tapping into is like , what your inner authority is saying, why would you do it? You know, why do you want to move and what would movement bring into your life? You know, what kinds of fun, what kind of joy and having a body that can.

Sustain and support all the things you want to do with it now and for years to come. So I love that you’re tapping into finding that inner authority, finding that inner desire, finding that inner want, because then that won’t be. Such an obligatory statement for somebody else and that we can truly do and tap into what we truly want for our lives.

I love that so much. Now how about who I [00:08:00] have been in the past? I talk about this sometimes on the podcast, a lot with my clients for sure is this starting and stopping, you know, I would go to the gym, I’d be pretty good. I didn’t really say I had a 30 day. Goal or anything that would get me there.

It would be like, it just feels good to get back into it. And I’m not starting and stopping generally on the same week. It’s like, I start for a period of time and then I guess I don’t go for a couple of days. And then that just means to my brain that we stopped. And I would find that that period of time would extend a lot longer than I wanted it to.

But there was almost like This resistance that I was having to starting again, like, it’s like, Oh, gosh, here I have to go again, starting again. And it just felt like, gosh, why start if I know I’m going to stop because I’ve been in the start, stop, start, stop cycles. So how would you work with somebody or, or what’s some keys that you can help somebody with [00:09:00] when they’re in that?

Start, stop, start, stop. And it feels so frustrating because it’s not habitualized like I wanted it to be. It’s not perfect. Right? Exactly. , the fact is, is that life happens. Okay. Like life happens. , there’s one of two things that are going on here. Okay. Let’s go with the life happens first. , and I see this a lot with my clients. They’re doing a great job. , they’re following their program.

You know, we put together a schedule and they’re rocking and rolling and then they go travel or someone comes to visit or the holidays happen or whatever, right? Something comes in and the feeling is that, Oh shoot. You know what? I just stopped again. Well, I never get this right. Is it really worth it?

Because now I’ve got to start over from the beginning. And what I tell those clients is actually, you’re never starting over from where you started the last [00:10:00] time. You have built a foundation, even if it was just a week. Okay. You have built a foundation that now you are better than you were before. Even if it feels like you’re starting over from where you were, you’re not like if you, especially if you start tracking a little bit, you’ll notice.

So , that is the life gets in the way issue and it, it does, you know? I have a client who , she travels every month, so she travels every month for about a week. So she’ll be just like when we first started working together, what was happening was she was rocking and rolling for three weeks and then she’d travel and then she’d come back and instead of starting over immediately, it would take her about a week to get back on track.

And here she is feeling like, Oh, here I am back where I was dropping everything. But the truth is, is that with just a little bit of tweaking. We were able to make it so that it didn’t feel like she was always starting [00:11:00] over, because she could see where she was starting from a better place. The flip side, and this happens a lot to us, is that, , the habit piece.

So you start, and usually I see this go, people will go for about 10 days. 10 days is kind of a solid number. Sometimes they’ll get three weeks, but usually it’s about 10 days. And then something happens to disrupt the schedule. And so the schedule gets disrupted. The brain says, Oh, okay, well, every time in the past when you started, you ended up , not following through.

So why are we bothering? It’s just that why even bother at this point? So. There’s this piece about just like beginning, trust yourself that you’re going to start over and that everything we do is a series of restarts. [00:12:00] Like this is what I do for a living, right? This is what I do. Lots of fun doing it.

And I work out. I’m pretty darn consistent at my workouts. And last week we were traveling. I thought, well, I’ll take my resistance bands with me. This would be easy. I’ll, you know, figure this out. No. Did I pick them up? No, I didn’t. I did other things, but I didn’t do any of my strength. I got back and even, even having done this for a million years, my first thought was, well, I don’t really have time to start this over on Monday.

So I’ll just wait till next week. I’ll give myself this week. I thought that I’m like, Oh, Kelly, give me a break. Like, you know, right. You wrote the book. And so I said, okay, so what are you going to do differently? It went back to what our original question was. I said, okay, start small. Just start small. All you need to do is 20 minutes.

But the trick to that, the fun trick to that is that if you. I have given yourself 20 [00:13:00] minutes to just do your movement, whatever it is, a body in motion stays in motion almost every time, unless you’re like completely booked on both sides , of your time. So then you’ve given yourself 20 minutes, maybe you do the walk or whatever it is.

You come back like, ah, maybe I’ll just knock out another 10 minutes with weights or resistance or whatever. And you’ve suddenly gotten yourself into the movement. And you’ve gotten yourself exercising again. So all of this though, is predicated on having a schedule that works for you. And by that, I mean, going back to that, Oh, well, I’m supposed to go to the gym three days a week or four days a week or whatever it is.

If you’re not a gym goer, then you have to have a schedule that fits your lifestyle. Whether it’s, I don’t know, it’s different for everybody. And for everybody I work with, I suggest three things that you have some mobility. [00:14:00] And mobility is nothing more than warming up the joints, that you have some sort of cardio and that you have some sort of resistance training , and knowing that if you haven’t done resistance training a lot, the resistance to resistance is real.

Okay. Like everybody’s like, ah, don’t want to do it, but just those little pieces, putting them into a schedule will actually bypass so much of what we’re talking about. Yeah, yeah, very important. What kind of tips do you use or maybe just for yourself even when you’re like, I don’t want to do that thing.

The resistance, the resistance, as you were saying I just thought of 1 strategy that has been working for me right now is. I may not want to do it right now, but. Darn that sense of accomplishment when I’m done and, you know, just, you know, grinding out, uh, just the wraps to do the resistance is sometimes like, I just want to feel that feeling.

I can’t wait to get there. And it [00:15:00] keeps me going. Right. It keeps me lifting. It keeps me doing the next set and doing the next set. And I just find that if I. Start thinking about how I’m going to feel afterwards. Makes the present more enjoyable. Right. We, when we talked about when we started off this episode about like fun, right.

It makes it more enjoyable of like, I know when I get through this last tough set, I’m just gonna be so proud that I did it. Yes. I love that. I do love that. Other ways of doing it, kind of depends on how somebody’s wired. A lot of people are visual. So like one of the things that I suggest is that you have, you know, not only do you have a schedule, you have a schedule written out and it’s the checkoff process.

Yes. We love to check out loud to check if you didn’t do it right, that’ll drive somebody crazy. It’ll drive me crazy. I’ve been known to go back in , to my workout office and go, okay, I’ve got to do this one last [00:16:00] thing because it’s on my list and I didn’t do it. So, you know, knowing yourself, like, you know, yourself, and you know, what’s going to get you going and keep you moving.

That’s a huge piece. It really is. And I love to ask people to just kind of watch themselves and see how they’re motivated. What’s motivating you? Are you that person who will go in and write something on her to do list so she can check it off? Well, if you are, then by gosh, you know, having the schedule on the wall to check off is going to be a winner for you.

Or are you somebody who can actually tap into those feelings? Of how you’re going to feel after this, you get this done, then, right. I mean, you got to really know yourself. Yes. Yes. And what do you think about the, what would be some helpful advice for someone who maybe wants to go to the gym, but they’re intimidated, right?

There’s a lot of machinery. There’s maybe people that have been going to the gym and they have, they walk around with [00:17:00] this level of confidence and that could be intimidating to somebody new or. Just the workout space, right? How do you like get in on a machine if somebody is already there, you know, just, or there’s a lot of men around and women come into this space and that could be intimidating as well.

, any strategies to help somebody as they navigate like a new space saying they want to go to the gym and they want to start being, you know Accountable in that way. And it feels good to work out with amongst others to, , anything you would share with the listeners on that? Yeah. Oh yeah. Lots, lots of gym etiquette there.

So one of them is, is if you haven’t been going to that gym a lot, right. If I was going to go to a new gym, hadn’t really been before, right. Yeah. I would go at an off time, an, uh, an, a not busy time. That’s what I mean by off time.

Something that’s just like two in the afternoon. And I’d put it in my schedule [00:18:00] because when you go to a busy gym, a five o’clock or six 30 in the morning or whatever it is, the energy is different. And if you’re brand new, you’re going to be like overly intimidated. I’d be overly intimidated in a new gym if I hadn’t been before.

And I show up at five 30 in the afternoon, boom. So off hours. Get somebody there to walk you through , all the machines and all the weights and show you where everything is. So you feel confident because if you just wander in, I’ve done it a hundred times, a hundred different gyms. You just wander in and you’re like, Oh, I think I’ll get on this machine for a minute.

I’ll try that one. Right now, get somebody to walk you through, take this with a grain of salt, but I will say it. A lot of gyms will offer a personal trainer for your first go round. Make sure that personal trainer understand your body and your goals, because I’ve had too many of my women who maybe they haven’t been to the gym in a long [00:19:00] time, they’re in their mid fifties.

They’ve had some joint issues. They go to a gym. They get this super awesome young guy who is used to throwing around big weights and he gets them off on the wrong foot. Not because he’s not a great trainer, but because he’s got a completely different body, right? Like you can get away with stuff back at that age and that size and you can at another age.

So start with those things. Go in with a goal like today is, you know, , lower body today is abs or whatever it is. Go in with a goal. And do not just sit on the machines. This is probably like, I see this happening to a lot of people is that they’ll sit down on a machine, they’ll finish their set, and then they’ll look at their phone or something like that, waiting for the next set.

Don’t do that. Get up, move around, do some mobility, come back. If somebody else is sitting on the machine and you need that machine, you can very nicely just say, can I work in with you? [00:20:00] And that’s a hard thing to do if you’re not used to doing it. But otherwise, you’ve got somebody in your way for 15 minutes sitting there looking at their phone until their next set.

So don’t feel bad because that’s good. Jim Etiquette. Once you feel comfortable with the gym, then the other thing that will happen is if you start going at a consistent time. , you are going to not meet friends necessarily, but you’re going to have those nod buddies, you know, the ones you come in and you kind of nod at and that increases confidence that just makes you feel like, Hey, yeah, I belong.

So give yourself a little bit of time, really. I mean, a new gym, a new gym could take a month to get used to. honestly, but, but give yourself all the wins of making it simple for you. Yeah. I noticed over the weekend I went in and I was watching a lot of the males around me. I was in the weightlifting area.

They were doing much bigger weights and I was noticing that, you know, there were a [00:21:00] few women, not as many as the men. We were definitely outnumbered at that time, but. I noticed a lot of the men were like grunting and squinting. And I’m like looking at us women and we’re not doing that. And I’m like, wait, maybe I should be pushing it more.

Maybe I should be going squinting and grunting. So I picked up a heavier weight and I decided that I’m going to grunt and do the thing. And I have to say it was, I really pushed myself. My muscles definitely felt it for two days later, but I was like, wow, yes, I could grunt and squint as well. I didn’t know why that was never an option that my brain thought was available to me.

That’s funny. That’s funny. I love that. Yeah. I do love that. Like equalizing the playing field in my head somehow. It is. It is because you’re right. , when I’m taking a group on like a, like a retreat and we’re on a big hike, I have what I call my lions and my antelopes.

, and it’s the same kind of thing, right? Like the lions are the ones that are, [00:22:00] you know, steady and going strong and, you know, doing the grunting and the antelopes are the ones that are just kind of going along, checking it out. And that’s kind of what you’re describing happening at the gym too.

And I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. All right. I’m stepping into my inner lion. Then I now have a way to think about it visually and I’m a visual person. So that works out. So Kelly, let’s transition and talk about any, like misconceptions or myths you find when it comes to women working and improving their fitness level.

Hmm. Yeah. Probably the first one is, is that it has to be perfect. That goes back to one of your questions before, which is that that is one of those things that stop us is that when we think that we’re not getting it exactly right, we just stop because it’s kind of a why bother.

But perfectionism is probably one of the biggest fitness consistency killers is if we think that we’re just not doing it perfect, then why even bother doing it? [00:23:00] Yeah. Yeah. Before you go on, I , I just want to mention something that’s been helpful because I just don’t want to forget it.

That’s been helping to my perfectionistic brain is that I’ve been doing this concept that I learned about exercise snacks, right? Where you can just do a short burst of. Exercise like for me, it could be between client calls, or maybe I’ll do one right before I start recording a podcast just to get my energy up.

But , this concept of exercise snacks, because if I don’t make it to the gym, I can still do like a couple of minutes of exercise snacking. And that makes me feel like the identity of I’m still somebody caring about my fitness. I’m still working in my exercise, even though it didn’t look according to my perfect plan.

I had put out for the week. Yeah. So I just wanted to mention that concept of exercise snacks helps me with my perfectionistic brain around fitness. I, I think that’s brilliant. I do. I love it. And, , you brought in the idea of, you know, having that exercise plan, which, you know, I’m, I’m big on. [00:24:00] And I tell my people all the time, so you schedule your workouts for the week and that’s your, you know, your cardio, your mobility and your fit.

And then if you hit 80 percent of it, you’re doing great. If you hit 90%, you’re like, whoa, seriously. And if you hit a hundred percent, you’re probably not trying hard enough. So , there is that little piece that, you know, where are you hitting it on that schedule?, You know, I do the same thing.

I, I judge myself or track myself really. I do that. And that’s the next piece is that a lot of people don’t like tracking. We may like to check things off, but I get so much resistance to tracking. If you are willing to start tracking what you’re doing, and when I say tracking, it’s a little bit more than, you know, checking off the fact that you went for a walk.

It’s a, you know, you walked for 30 minutes and you know, you were at a perceived effort of [00:25:00] four and you know, you did your mobility beforehand. So starting to look at things like that will allow you to broaden what you’re doing for your fitness. And the myth comes in where tracking is only wait, forget the scale.

Like if you can forget the scale, scale is like a capricious demigod that no one needs around. Right. If you can step off the scale and maybe have something different to track you, you’re, you’re writing it down, but you’re also like, one of my favorite things is to have clothing trackers and a clothing tracker is a piece of clothing that, you know, maybe fit you when you wanted to look that certain way.

But it doesn’t fit as well now, so you hang it up on your door, you check in once a month and try it on. I had a client just recently and she said to me, , one of her goals was weight loss. It was a big deal. And she had lost first three months, she’d lost quite a bit of weight. And then this last month she hadn’t lost [00:26:00] any and she was like, I’m just doing something wrong.

I’m doing something wrong. And I said, no, I don’t think you are because you’re doing everything that we’ve written out. And And I said, did you try your clothing tracking? And he’s like, you know, deer in the headlights. No, I completely forgot about that. I said, go like, I’m going to sit here on this call and wait for you.

You go try this pair of pants on and you come back. And she comes back and she’s like, I’m wearing them. Right. So what had happened was her, her muscle had caught up with the, you know, decrease in weight fat. And so now she’s really, you know, still losing weight, but her muscle is now gaining. So that’s another one, you know, that the tracking using a scale.

So those are some of the ones that I really like to keep an eye on. Yeah, that’s great. Any other myths?. A myth. I guess tracking wasn’t really a myth, but the myth of tracking is that you need to use the scale. Forget that.

But another myth that comes up is that it’s too late., , to learn to [00:27:00] do this, or it’s too late to follow that dream of doing that, whatever. And I have so many examples in my world of women, , whatever the age who had said to me, I don’t think I can do that thing I always wanted to do.

It’s a little too late who are now doing it rocking and rolling., I was holding a, actually an in person event where we were going for a hike. She showed up and when she got out of her car, she had a cane and people come with the hiking sticks, right?

But nobody’s ever shown up with a cane before. And I was like, Oh. Okay, what’s going on? And she said, well, I’m not really going on this hike with you. I just wanted to prove to myself that I would get here and maybe in a few months I’ll come back. Right now my knee, you know, I’m still trying to lose weight and you know, all the things and she obviously didn’t know me because I’m like, Oh no, you’re here.

Let’s go. So [00:28:00] everybody helped her because you know, she was, she had a little difficulty getting up and down the hills and such, but in the end she was so excited. And so exhilarated and we had just like totally busted the myth of the fact that she couldn’t do it. Right. And that same woman is now sending me postcards from places that she’s hiking around the country.

She eventually working, she’s done, she’s out there and she’s going to all these different trails all over the country and she’s hiking them. And her original thought was that she just couldn’t do it. Yeah. I love how she showed up for herself anyway. And it was like, you were the teacher that she needed at that moment.

. Yeah. We needed each other. Cause , she made my world that day. Yeah. Beautiful. So I want to transition to what do you think is one of the biggest assets [00:29:00] that you That we need when it comes to working on our fitness. Well, and we’ve touched on this a few times already, but our biggest fitness asset is our brain.

It really is. Fitness starts in your head, not your feet. And when we understand that and we get the brain on board, then it gets so much easier. So it really is. I think our greatest fitness asset is our brain. The next one , is I like having a community. Like having a community and community looks different for everybody, like community could simply be for that person who hasn’t been to the gym in a while.

And she starts going back and she starts nodding at people in the morning, right? That is a form of community. You may not think it is because you’re not doing a lot of interaction and chatting, but , you know that, Oh, [00:30:00] George recognize that I came in again, give each other a wave, you know, Sue’s over there or whatever their names are.

And you’ve created a community without even them knowing that you’re part of the community. Accountability is another asset , if you have the right accountability, you know, the wrong accountability doesn’t do you any good. And how would you define wrong versus right? Oh, yeah. So I have what I call my big bad three.

So my big bad three of accountability are, one of them is your best friend. Your best friend’s job is not to tell you to go out and exercise. Her job is to say, Oh my gosh, did you really have that bad a day? Let’s go get a glass of wine or let’s go to the movies or let’s go out to dinner or whatever it is.

Right. That’s her job. Her job is to, you know, love and care for you not to tell you to get your back end out the door and go do it. The next one is your, you know, your life [00:31:00] partner. They know. All the triggers, they know that if they don’t really want you to leave and go exercise or go to the gym or whatever, they know, , how to suggest to grab the pizza, get the Netflix.

I mean, they’re good at that. And the last one really is a fitness app. Fitness apps are a tool. They are not an accountability and people will say to me, but, but I stay accountable for my fitness app. I say, no, you track with your fitness app. But you can just turn that fitness app off if you don’t really feel like listening to it.

A real accountability, is when you have, like, I love layered accountability. In the end, we want to be 100 percent accountable to ourselves. Like, that’s the top of a pyramid. 100 percent accountable to ourselves. But to get there, maybe we sign up for classes. Maybe that’s one piece of the pyramid.

Maybe we have a fitness tracker. [00:32:00] Which is fine, but don’t plan on it being your sole requirement. Maybe we have a coach. Maybe we sign up for a trip or a run or whatever it is, but you add all these little different pieces that keep you basically on the straight and narrow because you know that you’ve either scheduled it, paid for it you’re looking forward to it.

All of those are accountability. Within my group, we have. Accountability groups through WhatsApp. And like one of them is accountability on fire. These are my people who are like, I want to be checked in on every day. , I’m on fire on this one. And then I’ve got, you know, accountability light where we’re like, well, you know what, I just want to let you know what’s going on once a week and I’m fine.

So that’s another kind of accountability. But using that to your advantage all the while, all the while, reaching forward that top, the precipice where you’re a hundred [00:33:00] percent, as much as you can be accountable to yourself. Wow. I even love how you structure your coaching differently based on the needs of the client.

I think that’s. It’s very key and meeting them where they are and yeah, being willing to honor where they’re at and being their guide on that journey. That’s beautiful. All right, Kelly. We’ll tell my audience where all the good stuff is, where they can find you, if they want to work with you or learn more about you.

Oh yeah. So the easiest place is just my website. It’s fitisfreedom. com. You can find all the, you know, social and links and the book and everything else there. And I think actually we didn’t mention this beforehand, but I think there’s a link for you in the show notes where anybody listening can get a free electronic copy of the book also.

If they would like that and either which way fitisfreedom. com and yeah, thank you for having me. Yes. Great. We will make sure that link is in the show notes for the [00:34:00] audience to download that book. And thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing all your wisdom with us, Kelly. Thank you.

And thank you to everybody listening.


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